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You may be "sick of all the lies" but you will be far more sick from the ever-growing mass of garbage, sludge, junk, chemical waste, smoke and fumes dumped in landfills, spewed up in the atmosphere and into the ocean every day. We humans have grown to 7 billion and counting, but the Earth is NOT growing to accomodate us. Instead, with each volcano and earthquake, it is slowly shrinking. So how much longer can we get away with this conflict of interest? Can the Eath survive without us? Certainly! Can we survive without a living Earth? No way!

Stop exaggerating, you could fit the entire population into the state of Texas and there'd still be living space. The problem is not humans, it is the one percent, the new World Order, who don't want to share resources but have them all to themselves, and they are the ones who do cause polution, take GM crops, depleted uranium, chemical polution, nuclear radiation and war, etc, and then they want to make us feel like the guilty ones. Yes we humans aren't perfect, and we do consume a bit too greedily, but to blame us for harming the planet is asinine. Of course, if we did find genuine new energy resources that are more in line with natural human evolution and development, then fine, but I'm sick of our beautiful countryside blighted by all those bloody useless eyesores. Up to then, coal is clean and safe, only emitting CO2 and water vapour mainly these days, and oil lies under the earth in abundance.

Don't you think it's rather strange that the major oil corporations all support the man made global warming theory? You have some strange allies supporting your theories, all major governments and parties, major corporations, banks, and even the Rothschilds. Julian Gilard even promised she would not have a carbon tax and soon as she got into power she lied and pushed it through.

Don't you 'environmentalists' realise you are being used as a political tool?

If you want to see how overcrowded the world is just go on Google earth?

I'm sick of all the negativity, the world is a beautiful place, and humanity, despite it's stupidity sometimes, is beautiful as well.

I notice a lot of agent provocateur comments in that website. That's a person who deliberately promotes a lie or illegal and violent activity to discredit their opponent.

Apparently, some glaciers are advancing when the mountains sprinkle them with a thin layer of rocks and debris, while others retreat in Springtime. How much influence global warming has is difficult to tell because of the natural warmth and cooling of the seasons.

Actually, the whole issue of global warming is secondary to its cause: spreading industrial pollution. As the human population keeps on growing by millions every year, the pollution they generate keeps growing because most of it is dumped in landfills, spewed up into the atmosphere and into the ocean which is now so saturated with plastic debris that sea birds and mammals are eating it and dying. How much longer can this go on? How much of our human-generated pollution can the Earth absorb and still support us? Shouldn't you be trying to answer such questions?

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I notice a lot of agent provocateur comments in that website. That's a person who deliberately promotes a lie or illegal and violent activity to discredit their opponent.

Apparently, some glaciers are advancing when the mountains sprinkle them with a thin layer of rocks and debris, while others retreat in Springtime. How much influence global warming has is difficult to tell because of the natural warmth and cooling of the seasons.

Actually, the whole issue of global warming is secondary to its cause: spreading industrial pollution. As the human population keeps on growing by millions every year, the pollution they generate keeps growing because most of it is dumped in landfills, spewed up into the atmosphere and into the ocean which is now so saturated with plastic debris that sea birds and mammals are eating it and dying. How much longer can this go on? How much of our human-generated pollution can the Earth absorb and still support us? Shouldn't you be trying to answer such questions?

Oh dear shouldn't we be more worried about nuclear fallout from Fukishima than a few plastic bags? Plastic bags were made from resources from the earth and they're going back to the earth. Not pretty, but certainly not seriously life threatening. Having said that I live near the coast and I've yet to seee the sea smothered in carrier bags. As for landfill sites, not a huge problem, but I think they should incinerate more rubbish?

By the way who are the agent provocateurs you speak of? I thought they were police who are disguised as protesters to spread mayhem and violence?

The problem with you greenies is you exaggerate all the minor 'problems' and ignore the major problems?

The threat we face today is not to the planet in the name of carbon dioxide and overcrowded landfill sites, if only? The threat is to humanity, through war, control and eugenics.

Look many of you greenies (sorry to use that term but I don't know what else to call you) mean well, and many of you are some of the most active and caring people on the planet, but sadly you are also very gullible, because you focus all your attention on a problem that Al Gore created, and to me that is very very dangerous?

Surely you know deep down in your hearts that the points I've made are right, and I don't say that with any pride, arrogance or disdain for anyone else's beliefs. We are moving into a global tyranny and unless we stop bickering and be divided and ruled then so called global warming will be the least of our problems. Can I also say this, frankly I'm rather pleasantly surprised, I was expecting to be met by a hail of abuse when I opened this thread, but I can see that you are a people of thought, debate and discernment, and that is very encouraging, and it has been nice experience being a member of this forum.

Well on a different note congratulations on the 10,000 posts to Green Forum Members

largejack,

I agree that indeed "We are moving into a global tyranny..." but it's the multi-national corporations that respect no flag and no or border who are buying up everything and everyone. Most of our elected U.S. Congress persons are regularly contacted by corporate lobbyists who donate to campaigns and pet projects in exchange for passing laws to allow whatever they want, like the recent oil pipeline across Canada which is extremely dangerous and will almost certainly lead to a massive oil spill given the oil companies tendency to cut costs by slipping on safety regulations, like BP in the Gulf of Mexico. ---- Don't get me wrong. I'm not a socialist. Free enterprise is the only economic system capable of producing the goods and services people need and want; but you've heard the saying: "too much of a good thing turns it bad". That's our human dilemma. Money is addictive and corporate executives love feeling rich and powerful so they think they own the World, and they almost do. So, they want to go right on expanding their corporate empires into every last square mile of land and ocean to become millionaires, billionaires, and who will be the first trillionaire?! They don't want to be bothered by the ever-growing mass of pollution their industries produce for the ever-growing number of human beings, now 7 billion and counting. They assume the Earth will go right on absorbing all of it, as it has for millions of years. But the Earth has never before experienced such a wild predator as the human entrepreneur whose instinct drives him to grow his business ventures forever forward, onward and outward to the stars to find new planets to conquer and devour.

But it won't work. The Earth is a biosphere, a living system that responds to stimulous like we all do if we work too hard, eat carelessly and drink too much, we get sick. Yes, the Earth is sick from our growing tons of pollution, so it reacts with more violent rain storms and floods, like in Thailand; last year's unusually large number of tornados across the Mid Western USA; and unusually severe and long lasting drought, like in Texas and Russia who had to stop exporting grain for the first time in their history. How much worse will the weather get? We are finding out every day as the food supplies dwindle. So, what can we do?

!. Safely recycle 100% of all human-generated waste products, all the garbage, sludge, junk, chemical waste, smoke and fumes.

2. Peacefully reduce the human population with family planning education in which every woman is guaranteed the legally protected right to decide if and when to birth her children. Very few women want a lrage family, many more want none at all, but the vast majority want only 1, 2 or 3. That way we can all live in peace and balance in a healthy environment on a stable and life-supporting planet for several thousand years at least.

Why do you think there is such an enormous amount of oil underground? Where did it all come from? Geophysical scientists have determined that oil was formed under great pressure inside the Earth as massive earthquakes buried tons of vegetation which was crushed and squashed down to the dark, soupy goo we refine into gasoline and so many other products. But there is SO MUCH OF IT, millions of gallons, that it must have taken an enormous amount of pressed vegetation to create it --- and that means several billion years ago the Earth was about 3 times larger than it is now, and if that is true, then the Earth has been slowly shrinking throughout its long existence and is still shrinking now, today with each volcano and earthquake. We live on a slowly shrinking Earth, so its resources are slowly shrinking too, and when we grow the industrial economy by mining and drilling we speed up that shrinkage so eventually our supplies will be depleted and we will starve. It's already happening with the worsening droughts. On planet Earth everything is connected to everything else in a geophysical network, so the smart thing to do is to carefully conserve those resources for our grandchildren, great grandchildren, great-great grandchildren on into a brilliantly happy human future.

So, do you think some one cast an evil spell over the Earth? Actually, there is a pall over the big cities, but it's very physical, consisting of various concentrations of smog from automobile exhaust and smoke stacks. Environmentalists tend to favor enlightenment of the human mind and joy in the beauties of Nature to inspire people to live consciously in harmony with the biosphere that created them. That's why some people refer to it as "Mother Earth".

You said you live near the coast and haven't seen a lot of plastic in the ocean. That's because most plastic is not heavy enough to sink to the bottom nor light enough to float on the surface, so it stays a few inches below, but the sea birds and mammals deal with it every day and, since they operate mostly by instinct, they assume it's food and eat it, causing blockage in their digestive tracts, so a growing number are dying.

We speak of the "global ocean" since there is no real division between Atlantic and Pacific, and in that enormous body of water there are several huge, swirling patches of trash getting larger every season as the tides ebb and flow around the World. Some say it flows into the ocean from rivers, but I think there is a lot of illegal dumping too. The growing number of ships traveling in International waters routinely dump their kitchen scraps and other waste materials. As the human population continues to grow these conditions are getting worse, until.......????