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    Exclamation Green Project--Spread this around!

    This is a compendium of problems and solutions that needs to be copied and spread like the wildfires increasingly plaguing our planet;
    A LETTER TO EVERYONE

    From the day we're born, all of us are inspired by our natural instinct to grow
    our physical abilities and knowledge, our family relationships, our talents,
    our friends, and our growing skills to work and earn a good living so we can
    grow our bank accounts and enjoy "the good life", and then advance our good
    reputation as successful men and women in a prosperous economy for a nation
    of growing influence around the World ---- which becomes a problem if other
    people in other nations push forward with their own agenda = World Wars One
    and Two, and the recently ended "Cold War" with the former Soviet Union.
    But even if all the people of the World learn to live together peacefully for
    growing trade and expanding global cooperation, it can't go on forever.

    Why? Because the Earth, the planet we live on, is not growing. In fact,
    with each volcano and earthquake, it is slowly cooling and shrinking, as it has
    from its beginning with the Sun as an enormous cloud of hot, swirling gases
    slowly cooling and forming the planets Neptune, Uranus, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars
    Earth, Venus and Mercury.

    Yet, it's hard to find scientists, economists or anyone to admit that, because
    almost everyone assumes we must go right on growing our families and expanding
    our careers and business investments forever; and millions see their own children
    as a financial investment to make the family rich, so the more the better!

    Why not?! It's certainly good for business to promote a growing population of
    ambitious consumers who always buy more products every year. A favorite slogan
    is "A growing economy is a healthy economy." If only we could somehow make
    our planet grow right along with us, there would always be more of everything
    for everyone, right?

    So the astronomers and astro-physicists are busy searching the night sky for other
    life-supporting planets orbiting other stars like our Sun, if only we could travel
    millions of miles into outer space. Problem solved! We'll send high tech robots that
    don't need food, water, air or sunlight, produce no sewage or garbage and require
    only a little oil, recharge and a replacement part once in awhile. Later we'll invent
    a safe method of suspended animation, like Sigourney Weaver had in those three
    sci-fi "Alien" films, so living astronauts can sleep through the exciting adventure
    of space travel (!)

    But there is another problem.

    While scientists and businessmen are busy planning to conquer the universe,
    our human population keeps on growing, now 7 billion and counting. So, we face
    a very difficult question: How many people can the Earth support? We must find
    an answer now because, not only is it slowly shrinking, as a living system, it is
    struggling to neutralize the ever-growing mass of our trash, junk and sewage with
    more violent storms and floods, huge tornados, droughts and raging wildfires, all
    happening now around the World because every day growing tons of garbage and
    sludge are dumped in the ocean, lakes and rivers, while big cities like Los Angeles
    are surrounding themselves with growing mountains of "landfill", while growing
    thousands of coal-fired power plants and growing thousands of jet planes are
    spewing out growing tons of toxic smoke and exhaust fumes, and occasionally an
    oil well is operated below safety standards and suddenly spills tons of crude oil
    onto land and into the sea. But how much can the Earth absorb?

    Each one of us is born with an "auto-immune system", so if germs make you sick
    with the "common cold", without you having to think about it, your body will
    automatically raise your temperature, make you sneeze and cough up phlegm, blow
    out nasal fluid, need more water and fruit juice and more sleep, during which time
    the white cells in your blood stream will surround and kill the virus invaders.
    But if you've been drinking coffee, alcoholic beverages, smoking cigarettes and
    staying up late, you immune system could be so weak your cold may turn into a
    fatal case of pneumonia.

    Likewise with planet Earth. It has its own auto-immune system that constantly
    absorbs and recycles everything in rainstorms and flooding rivers, hurricanes and
    tornados, hot summer and cold winter seasons. Everything is always moving and
    changing, because the Earth is a "biosphere", not cold and dead like Mars, or
    broiling hot like Venus, but a living, breathing weather system of four seasons
    we all depend on to grow and store our food and water and to breathe fresh air
    from the photosynthesis of natural forests and the phytoplankton in the ocean
    that together convert the carbon dioxide we exhale into the oxygen we must inhale
    to stay alive. If that systen collapses from the growing mass of our pollution,
    every living thing on Earth will die.

    Therefore, our lifetime job should be to protect that biosphere so our children
    will have a safe and healthy place to live and grow. We should give that to them
    as their birthright with food, clothing, shelter, love, friendship and education,
    which can only exist on a life-supporting planet. To do this successfully, two
    things must be accomplished as soon as possible:

    1. Safely recycle 100% of all garbage and waste materials, or close down their
    source. For example, there is no such thing as "clean coal technology" because
    even if all the smoke from coal-fired power plants could somehow be "scrubbed",
    there would soon be a gigantic tonnage of carbon waste and no safe place for it.
    Some say bury it, but it would eventually mix with ever-seeping ground water and
    leach into streams and lakes. But the coal seams in their original underground
    locations were harming no one, because over eons of time by slow geologic
    permutations, the Earth isolates its many toxic elements, including coal, oil and
    uranium, so life can evolve. The only reason we need coal, oil and uranium
    is to supply our massively growing population.

    2. Peacefully establish family planning clinics in every neighborhood in every
    village, town and city where each woman is given the legally protected right to
    freely decide if and when to birth her children. Very few women want 6, 7, 8 kids.
    More want none at all, but the vast majority want no more than 1, 2 or 3. Abortion
    is rarely necessary because thousands of childless couples are waiting to adopt.

    In this way, the human race can live in a natural balance with a healthy biosphere
    that provides everything we need because, with less people, work is more valuable
    with plenty of resources for everyone, and thus no possibility of obsessively
    growing super corporations or massive federal bureacracies, no overcrowded cities
    infested with crime and crooked politics, no thousands of air-polluting coal-fired
    power plants, no thousands of oil wells spilling from unsafe rigs and platforms.
    Modern technology has already developed cleaner sources of electricity, like solar,
    wind, geo-thermal, tidal and battery-powered vehicles, which are perfect for a
    smaller and more sensitive human population working as a friendly network of
    locally sovereign towns and villages who trade freely for everyone's mutual benefit.

    We have the scientific ability to create a virtual paradise on Earth for everyone
    and everyone's children for a million years and beyond, or we can let our predatory
    instincts grow and drive us blindly and stupidly into ecocide and self-extinction.

    So, how many people can learn about this dilemma now, today, tomorrow, next
    week, next month and throughout this year and next? Is there still enough time
    to change, and will enough people think about it and make a rational choice?
    If you pass this letter on to some one you know, that might help.


    Clinging to a thread of hope,
    John Talbot Ross
    April/May/June, 2011

    from:
    "If Saving the Earth" via Google.com

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    A LETTER TO EVERYONE

    From the day we're born, all of us are inspired by our natural instinct to grow
    our physical abilities and knowledge, our family relationships, our talents,
    our friends, and our growing skills to work and earn a good living so we can
    grow our bank accounts and enjoy "the good life", and then advance our good
    reputation as successful men and women in a prosperous economy for a nation
    of growing influence around the World ---- which becomes a problem if other
    people in other nations push forward with their own agenda = World Wars One
    and Two, and the recently ended "Cold War" with the former Soviet Union.
    But even if all the people of the World learn to live together peacefully for
    growing trade and expanding global cooperation, it can't go on forever.

    Why? Because the Earth, the planet we live on, is not growing. In fact,
    with each volcano and earthquake, it is slowly cooling and shrinking, as it has
    from its beginning with the Sun as an enormous cloud of hot, swirling gases
    slowly cooling and forming the planets Neptune, Uranus, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars
    Earth, Venus and Mercury.

    Yet, it's hard to find scientists, economists or anyone to admit that, because
    almost everyone assumes we must go right on growing our families and expanding
    our careers and business investments forever; and millions see their own children
    as a financial investment to make the family rich, so the more the better!

    Why not?! It's certainly good for business to promote a growing population of
    ambitious consumers who always buy more products every year. A favorite slogan
    is "A growing economy is a healthy economy." If only we could somehow make
    our planet grow right along with us, there would always be more of everything
    for everyone, right?

    So the astronomers and astro-physicists are busy searching the night sky for other
    life-supporting planets orbiting other stars like our Sun, if only we could travel
    millions of miles into outer space. Problem solved! We'll send high tech robots that
    don't need food, water, air or sunlight, produce no sewage or garbage and require
    only a little oil, recharge and a replacement part once in awhile. Later we'll invent
    a safe method of suspended animation, like Sigourney Weaver had in those three
    sci-fi "Alien" films, so living astronauts can sleep through the exciting adventure
    of space travel (!)

    But there is another problem.

    While scientists and businessmen are busy planning to conquer the universe,
    our human population keeps on growing, now 7 billion and counting. So, we face
    a very difficult question: How many people can the Earth support? We must find
    an answer now because, not only is it slowly shrinking, as a living system, it is
    struggling to neutralize the ever-growing mass of our trash, junk and sewage with
    more violent storms and floods, huge tornados, droughts and raging wildfires, all
    happening now around the World because every day growing tons of garbage and
    sludge are dumped in the ocean, lakes and rivers, while big cities like Los Angeles
    are surrounding themselves with growing mountains of "landfill", while growing
    thousands of coal-fired power plants and growing thousands of jet planes are
    spewing out growing tons of toxic smoke and exhaust fumes, and occasionally an
    oil well is operated below safety standards and suddenly spills tons of crude oil
    onto land and into the sea. But how much can the Earth absorb?

    Each one of us is born with an "auto-immune system", so if germs make you sick
    with the "common cold", without you having to think about it, your body will
    automatically raise your temperature, make you sneeze and cough up phlegm, blow
    out nasal fluid, need more water and fruit juice and more sleep, during which time
    the white cells in your blood stream will surround and kill the virus invaders.
    But if you've been drinking coffee, alcoholic beverages, smoking cigarettes and
    staying up late, you immune system could be so weak your cold may turn into a
    fatal case of pneumonia.

    Likewise with planet Earth. It has its own auto-immune system that constantly
    absorbs and recycles everything in rainstorms and flooding rivers, hurricanes and
    tornados, hot summer and cold winter seasons. Everything is always moving and
    changing, because the Earth is a "biosphere", not cold and dead like Mars, or
    broiling hot like Venus, but a living, breathing weather system of four seasons
    we all depend on to grow and store our food and water and to breathe fresh air
    from the photosynthesis of natural forests and the phytoplankton in the ocean
    that together convert the carbon dioxide we exhale into the oxygen we must inhale
    to stay alive. If that systen collapses from the growing mass of our pollution,
    every living thing on Earth will die.

    Therefore, our lifetime job should be to protect that biosphere so our children
    will have a safe and healthy place to live and grow. We should give that to them
    as their birthright with food, clothing, shelter, love, friendship and education,
    which can only exist on a life-supporting planet. To do this successfully, two
    things must be accomplished as soon as possible:

    1. Safely recycle 100% of all garbage and waste materials, or close down their
    source. For example, there is no such thing as "clean coal technology" because
    even if all the smoke from coal-fired power plants could somehow be "scrubbed",
    there would soon be a gigantic tonnage of carbon waste and no safe place for it.
    Some say bury it, but it would eventually mix with ever-seeping ground water and
    leach into streams and lakes. But the coal seams in their original underground
    locations were harming no one, because over eons of time by slow geologic
    permutations, the Earth isolates its many toxic elements, including coal, oil and
    uranium, so life can evolve. The only reason we need coal, oil and uranium
    is to supply our massively growing population.

    2. Peacefully establish family planning clinics in every neighborhood in every
    village, town and city where each woman is given the legally protected right to
    freely decide if and when to birth her children. Very few women want 6, 7, 8 kids.
    More want none at all, but the vast majority want no more than 1, 2 or 3. Abortion
    is rarely necessary because thousands of childless couples are waiting to adopt.

    In this way, the human race can live in a natural balance with a healthy biosphere
    that provides everything we need because, with less people, work is more valuable
    with plenty of resources for everyone, and thus no possibility of obsessively
    growing super corporations or massive federal bureacracies, no overcrowded cities
    infested with crime and crooked politics, no thousands of air-polluting coal-fired
    power plants, no thousands of oil wells spilling from unsafe rigs and platforms.
    Modern technology has already developed cleaner sources of electricity, like solar,
    wind, geo-thermal, tidal and battery-powered vehicles, which are perfect for a
    smaller and more sensitive human population working as a friendly network of
    locally sovereign towns and villages who trade freely for everyone's mutual benefit.

    We have the scientific ability to create a virtual paradise on Earth for everyone
    and everyone's children for a million years and beyond, or we can let our predatory
    instincts grow and drive us blindly and stupidly into ecocide and self-extinction.


    >>>>right click the above to highlight it, left click, right click "copy", then go to your file and right click, then right click "print", the right click "selection", and OK to print. Print enough copies for bulletin boards nearby. Use the left click and "paste", right click, for emailing to all your friends.

    So, how many people can learn about this dilemma now, today, tomorrow, next
    week, next month and throughout this year and next? Is there still enough time
    to change, and will enough people think about it and make a rational choice?
    If you pass this letter on to some one you know, that might help.
    Spreading this around the world WILL help, DO IT!!!
    Last edited by Val; 10-01-2011 at 10:22 AM.

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    According to Hansen in "Storms of My Grandchildren", if we don't stop burning coal and fossil fuels the end result could be a runaway greenhouse effect, and sterilization of all life permanently!!!!

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    I think condensing your "How to Save the Earth" essay would be more effective. There were complaints on the Letter's length. From "your "How to Save the Earth";
    people don't enjoy living like bees or ants! Today we
    are seeing road-rage, air-rage and school-rage. Imagine
    how much worse we would behave all jammed inside
    enormous ghettos! Then again, if we assume rich and poor
    would still be living in different neighborhoods, the most
    wealthy would probably have far more plush and spacious
    accommodations, away from the sweltering mobs of hoi polloi,
    like it is today, but involving billions more suffering people.

    There are several ways to prevent the above scenario from
    becoming a daily fact of life:

    1. Global pandemic disease and die-off,

    2. Environmental collapse and mass starvation,

    3. Revolution, dictatorship & genocide,

    4. World War Three,

    5. Peaceful family planning to reduce the human population
    and 100% recycling of all waste and garbage would return
    the Earth to its natural balance.

    Choose thoughtfully, but know that time is running out.
    Last edited by Val; 04-06-2012 at 11:56 AM.

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    It feels wondeful that at least one person is actually reading and thinking about my online writings. Thankyou so much! But I am also advocating, by example, the old fashioned practice of taking an hour from a busy day to read something important, not a capsule version of Cormac McCarthy's "The Road", but the whole book; and the full length of my essays, poems, calendars and short novel. Part of our modern dilemma is the commercial drive for quick responses to ads and quick sales and quick thinking in general, which is part of the reason why people can ignore the obvious decline of the natural environment. To survive, people need to stop and take the time to think about what they're doing to themselves and their still-living planet.

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    The meteoric dust that settles makes up for any shrinkage, and the Earth is at a stable size. Perhaps in billions of years it will be a few miles less in diameter as the moon is just a small dot because it is more distant. No more tides of much consequence, and the sun hotter.
    Will humans make it to the sun's red giant phase, then move to other planets? Or will they have blown it and ruined their biosphere from fossil fuel burning and overpopulation????
    After the human debacle, will there ever be intelligent life on Earth again?? Perhaps an intelligent cockroach dressed like Mr. Peanut??
    Last edited by Val; 04-06-2012 at 11:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val View Post
    This is a compendium of problems and solutions that needs to be copied and spread like the wildfires increasingly plaguing our planet;
    A LETTER TO EVERYONE

    From the day we're born, all of us are inspired by our natural instinct to grow
    our physical abilities and knowledge, our family relationships, our talents,
    our friends, and our growing skills to work and earn a good living so we can
    grow our bank accounts and enjoy "the good life", and then advance our good
    reputation as successful men and women in a prosperous economy for a nation
    of growing influence around the World ---- which becomes a problem if other
    people in other nations push forward with their own agenda = World Wars One
    and Two, and the recently ended "Cold War" with the former Soviet Union.
    But even if all the people of the World learn to live together peacefully for
    growing trade and expanding global cooperation, it can't go on forever.

    Why? Because the Earth, the planet we live on, is not growing. In fact,
    with each volcano and earthquake, it is slowly cooling and shrinking, as it has
    from its beginning with the Sun as an enormous cloud of hot, swirling gases
    slowly cooling and forming the planets Neptune, Uranus, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars
    Earth, Venus and Mercury.

    Yet, it's hard to find scientists, economists or anyone to admit that, because
    almost everyone assumes we must go right on growing our families and expanding
    our careers and business investments forever; and millions see their own children
    as a financial investment to make the family rich, so the more the better!

    Why not?! It's certainly good for business to promote a growing population of
    ambitious consumers who always buy more products every year. A favorite slogan
    is "A growing economy is a healthy economy." If only we could somehow make
    our planet grow right along with us, there would always be more of everything
    for everyone, right?

    So the astronomers and astro-physicists are busy searching the night sky for other
    life-supporting planets orbiting other stars like our Sun, if only we could travel
    millions of miles into outer space. Problem solved! We'll send high tech robots that
    don't need food, water, air or sunlight, produce no sewage or garbage and require
    only a little oil, recharge and a replacement part once in awhile. Later we'll invent
    a safe method of suspended animation, like Sigourney Weaver had in those three
    sci-fi "Alien" films, so living astronauts can sleep through the exciting adventure
    of space travel (!)

    But there is another problem.

    While scientists and businessmen are busy planning to conquer the universe,
    our human population keeps on growing, now 7 billion and counting. So, we face
    a very difficult question: How many people can the Earth support? We must find
    an answer now because, not only is it slowly shrinking, as a living system, it is
    struggling to neutralize the ever-growing mass of our trash, junk and sewage with
    more violent storms and floods, huge tornados, droughts and raging wildfires, all
    happening now around the World because every day growing tons of garbage and
    sludge are dumped in the ocean, lakes and rivers, while big cities like Los Angeles
    are surrounding themselves with growing mountains of "landfill", while growing
    thousands of coal-fired power plants and growing thousands of jet planes are
    spewing out growing tons of toxic smoke and exhaust fumes, and occasionally an
    oil well is operated below safety standards and suddenly spills tons of crude oil
    onto land and into the sea. But how much can the Earth absorb?

    Each one of us is born with an "auto-immune system", so if germs make you sick
    with the "common cold", without you having to think about it, your body will
    automatically raise your temperature, make you sneeze and cough up phlegm, blow
    out nasal fluid, need more water and fruit juice and more sleep, during which time
    the white cells in your blood stream will surround and kill the virus invaders.
    But if you've been drinking coffee, alcoholic beverages, smoking cigarettes and
    staying up late, you immune system could be so weak your cold may turn into a
    fatal case of pneumonia.

    Likewise with planet Earth. It has its own auto-immune system that constantly
    absorbs and recycles everything in rainstorms and flooding rivers, hurricanes and
    tornados, hot summer and cold winter seasons. Everything is always moving and
    changing, because the Earth is a "biosphere", not cold and dead like Mars, or
    broiling hot like Venus, but a living, breathing weather system of four seasons
    we all depend on to grow and store our food and water and to breathe fresh air
    from the photosynthesis of natural forests and the phytoplankton in the ocean
    that together convert the carbon dioxide we exhale into the oxygen we must inhale
    to stay alive. If that systen collapses from the growing mass of our pollution,
    every living thing on Earth will die.

    Therefore, our lifetime job should be to protect that biosphere so our children
    will have a safe and healthy place to live and grow. We should give that to them
    as their birthright with food, clothing, shelter, love, friendship and education,
    which can only exist on a life-supporting planet. To do this successfully, two
    things must be accomplished as soon as possible:

    1. Safely recycle 100% of all garbage and waste materials, or close down their
    source. For example, there is no such thing as "clean coal technology" because
    even if all the smoke from coal-fired power plants could somehow be "scrubbed",
    there would soon be a gigantic tonnage of carbon waste and no safe place for it.
    Some say bury it, but it would eventually mix with ever-seeping ground water and
    leach into streams and lakes. But the coal seams in their original underground
    locations were harming no one, because over eons of time by slow geologic
    permutations, the Earth isolates its many toxic elements, including coal, oil and
    uranium, so life can evolve. The only reason we need coal, oil and uranium
    is to supply our massively growing population.

    2. Peacefully establish family planning clinics in every neighborhood in every
    village, town and city where each woman is given the legally protected right to
    freely decide if and when to birth her children. Very few women want 6, 7, 8 kids.
    More want none at all, but the vast majority want no more than 1, 2 or 3. Abortion
    is rarely necessary because thousands of childless couples are waiting to adopt.

    In this way, the human race can live in a natural balance with a healthy biosphere
    that provides everything we need because, with less people, work is more valuable
    with plenty of resources for everyone, and thus no possibility of obsessively
    growing super corporations or massive federal bureacracies, no overcrowded cities
    infested with crime and crooked politics, no thousands of air-polluting coal-fired
    power plants, no thousands of oil wells spilling from unsafe rigs and platforms.
    Modern technology has already developed cleaner sources of electricity, like solar,
    wind, geo-thermal, tidal and battery-powered vehicles, which are perfect for a
    smaller and more sensitive human population working as a friendly network of
    locally sovereign towns and villages who trade freely for everyone's mutual benefit.

    We have the scientific ability to create a virtual paradise on Earth for everyone
    and everyone's children for a million years and beyond, or we can let our predatory
    instincts grow and drive us blindly and stupidly into ecocide and self-extinction.

    So, how many people can learn about this dilemma now, today, tomorrow, next
    week, next month and throughout this year and next? Is there still enough time
    to change, and will enough people think about it and make a rational choice?
    If you pass this letter on to some one you know, that might help.


    Clinging to a thread of hope,
    John Talbot Ross
    April/May/June, 2011

    from:
    "If Saving the Earth" via Google.com
    Wildfires still in the news, and this forgotten bit from 1995;
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMyw...layer_embedded

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    Thanks for posting my essay Val. It raises the question of how many people actually read my home page and Green Forum, because in the two years or so it has been online I have never once received a comment from anyone, except you, even though I sent out copies to about 30 various institutions and individuals around the World. If I didn't love writing so much, I would give up. But I'll keep on as long as I can, for the children of the World, if no one else.

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    I found this bit with song lyrics in it, while perusing envirolink.com, someone you must know;
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    Post subject: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
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    Many resources were known to be running out and that humans were overpopulated, back when I did my initial research in 1967. We only had a small idea then of just how destructive humanity was. Global warming was just a theory, we had plenty of room for landfills, and the oceans seemed like nearly infinite trash dumps. "Silent Spring" was a warning to only a few. "The Population Bomb" had wildly inaccurate predictions because the author did not consult actual field and lab studies of mammal populations like I did, and merely completed the initial hyperbolic curve, then based everything on that. So science took a hit which has reverberated down through time.
    People did not go to two child families when that would have worked. They did not go to one child families when that would have worked. They mistrusted climate science with global warming predictions until now we only have 7 years left to stop burning fossil fuels and slash and burn agriculture 90%. Any industry would have to be powered by non-emissions sources. Most emissions producing industrial farming and distribution has to end, meaning food must be grown without emissions producing machinery and locally.
    They will not do it in time, so it goes beyond the politically correct worst case scenarios to a biosphere near destroying planetary reaction. A return, after the population die off, to hunter/gatherer and some agrarian society conditions, with a little high technology thrown in. Unfortunately, the positive feedback loops of increasing open water at the North Pole and self-release of tundra, followed and with by ocean warming and release of methane hydrates there, deeper and deeper. Higher and higher temperatures, far beyond the politically correct rose colored glasses with blinders worst case scenario, to a thermal maximum geological event with massive ELE, like but worse than 55 million years ago. Probably not the runaway greenhouse effect which would happen if all the fossil fuel had time to be burned before the population crash. That would preclude life ever again on Earth, eventually. But the preventable population crash and AETM will be bad enough, and our own species wiped out with most others.
    We could have industrialized to a certain extent without fossil fuels and their emissions, using solar power, batteries, and wind and tidal power. We had all this knowledge that could have lead to knowing sustainable limits and staying within them. Even before coal came into common usage and with it the cheap energy stimulus to population and industrialization with depletion beyond replenishment and pollution beyond absorption, some societies had become overpopulated with smaller body weight as a result from primitive industrialization. The use of charcoal and water wheels, the making of metal plows to over dig the soil and harnesses to domesticated animals to increase food production. China and India were overpopulated way before other parts of the world. Even Europe had become overpopulated by 1500 or so and people migrated to get relief.
    Still, the real stimulus to modern global problems was fossil fuels. First coal, then oil. You can not forget that technology and modern medicine played a big part, for they had increased rapidly, too. Without being able to wipe out predators, including diseases, the infant mortality would have remained high and people would have shorter lives. They did not then reduce family size rapidly enough. Greed made it so they used resources hundreds to many thousands of times their replenishment rates, and lust kept them over-breeding, while sloth allowed them to uncaringly pollute hundreds of times absorption rates.
    Having something that could take them across continents in just hours, and product after newer product to indulge their every whim, was intoxicating. People were drunk on too much food, too much water, too much cheap fuel, and industrial ruin was ignored. I suppose that is a kind of insanity that has universally gripped mankind to the point of massive denial, and inaction to change before it is too late. Now it is the insanity of ecocide, as the biosphere slowly crumbles with depletion and pollution. Even the long term cosmic/planetary processes that caused the ice ages for the past 5 million years or more are overcome by human pollution effects. The Sixth Great Extinction caused by humans and not an asteroid strike. A little slower, but still a blink of the eye, geologically.

    "The story of life is quicker than the blink of an eye.
    The story of love is hello and goodbye,
    Until we meet again." Jimi Hendrix, the day before his death.

    Still, life will go on, the biosphere will heal. Until our Sun goes Nova.
    Then the Universe will go on, our solar system and life on Earth, just a blink in time.

    Eternity is waiting, for you and me.
    I'm going to sing my song, and sing it all day long, a song that never ends. (Mike Pinder)
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    _________________
    "With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.
    “We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”
    ― Chief Seattle
    I remember that sushideli thread of long term at TES. He has not joined here, nor have many others. I guess it is because this site is more commercial oriented. We are selling out of Kansas and the heat, and planning on building an Earthship in the mountains.
    John, are you really giving up on your great environmental posts?? Your last poem was like you have given up educating the people and "fighting to the end" for future generations. Even though it is probably too late, we still have 7 years to reduce emissions 90%, before falling below a 50% chance to stop thermageddon after the crash. Solar survival partially underground remote cooperative villages could make it, don't you think?

    Too Late

    Protesting once again
    our self-inflicted fate,
    the poet's prolific pen
    may soon fall prostrate
    under continental drought,
    polluted global warming
    no longer in doubt,
    this elderly scribe
    posts a final vibe
    with explicit warning
    to anyone willing to think
    about when we go extinct. John Talbot Ross

    I have found many who think about the future catastrophic effects of AGW and the crash of the human and other species populations. Some believe in miracles, or at least Heaven if we keep doing what is right for future kids, even if we lose the battle. This beautiful planet, temporarily injured, will go on far longer than us.

    Here is another with eco-lyrics;
    http://turtugablanku.com/
    Last edited by Val; 08-26-2012 at 01:04 PM. Reason: adding JTR's last poem, and tortugablanku.

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    Thanks for posting my essay Val. It raises the question of how many people actually read my home page and Green Forum, because in the two years or so it has been online I have never once received a comment from anyone, except you, even though I sent out copies to about 30 various institutions and individuals around the World. If I didn't love writing so much, I would give up. But I'll keep on as long as I can, for the children of the World, if no one else.
    Do You Believe in Magic Lyrics

    Do you believe in magic in a young girl's heart
    How the music can free her, whenever it starts
    And it's magic, if the music is groovy
    It makes you feel happy like an old-time movie
    I'll tell you about the magic, and it'll free your soul
    But it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock and roll

    If you believe in magic don't bother to choose
    If it's jug band music or rhythm and blues
    Just go and listen it'll start with a smile
    It won't wipe off your face no matter how hard you try
    Your feet start tapping and you can't seem to find
    How you got there, so just blow your mind

    If you believe in magic, come along with me
    We'll dance until morning 'til there's just you and me
    And maybe, if the music is right
    I'll meet you tomorrow, sort of late at night
    And we'll go dancing, baby, then you'll see
    How the magic's in the music and the music's in me

    Yeah, do you believe in magic
    Yeah, believe in the magic of a young girl's soul
    Believe in the magic of rock and roll
    Believe in the magic that can set you free
    Ohh, talking 'bout magic

    Do you believe like I believe Do you believe in magic
    Do you believe like I believe Do you believe, believer
    Do you believe like I believe Do you believe in magic
    [Fade]
    In 1965, Sebastian's group, The Lovin' Spoonful, released the song as the first single from their debut album Do You Believe in Magic. The song was well received by the public and became a top ten hit on the Billboard Hot 100, peaking at #9. According to the lyrics, the magic referenced in the title is the power of music to supply happiness and freedom to both those who make it and those who listen to it.
    That was 47 years ago and John, you would have been 33. Please, still believe in magic!
    Well, it can make you happy in a world with an increasingly dismal future, and an increasingly dismal NOW.
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