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    Often described as the Earth’s lungs, only in reverse, the tropical rainforests, take in vast quantities of carbon dioxide (a poisonous gas which mammals exhale) and through the process of photosynthesis, converts it into clean, breathable air. In fact, the tropical rainforests are the single greatest terrestrial source of air that we breathe.

    What’s truly amazing, however, is that while the tropical rainforests cover just 2% of the Earth's land surface, they are home to two-thirds of all the living species on the planet. Additionally, "nearly half the medicinal compounds we use every day come from plants endemic to the tropical rainforest." If a cure for cancer or AIDS is to be found, it’ll almost certainly come from the tropical rainforests.

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    Darren Atwood,

    If you really want to save the rainforests you must persuade the growing populations in those regions to practice family planning to stop and reduce their growing pressure of those forests. Otherwise you're deluding yourself and your supporters.

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    I think he is a spammer. To sign the petition he wants your name and address.

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    Thanks for the warning. The commercial impulse to grow is all pervasive, apparently. Can its individual practitioners be shown and persuaded of the planet's limitations, before it's too late? I fully expect to find out fairly soon. The summer is already raging hot in springtime. At some point, even a loyal corporate flunky or a rabid wanna-be millionaire has to look up and wonder what's happening to the World around him when a wildfire sweeps away his country cottage along with hundreds of others, or a tornado kills his Midwest cousin, or etc. around the World.

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    The forests absorb 1/5th of what people put out each year in CO2. A tree will absorb a ton of CO2, so we need to plant 20 billion trees per year!!! The realistic thing to do is halve the population immediately, then only allow those who fully understand and have the morals to live sustainably, to have a child. Until the Earth is at long term sustainable at a reasonable standard of living, and of people who can continue to understand nature and live on sustainably.
    Most likely, the tipping point of methane self release will pass and thermageddon will kill most species. Thanks to dumb immoral people and their selfishness.
    http://www.cosmosmith.com/human_population_crisis.htm
    Let's do some math; if a tree planted will take out a tone of CO2 in ten years, and 1/5th of human output is absorbed by plant life(not just forests), then
    26.4 gigatons (billion tons) produced by humans in 2011 x .8 = 21.12 billion tons divided by one ton= 21.12 billion trees times ten years= 211.2 billion trees must be planted per year.!!!!
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    It is completely and utterly impossible to "halve the population immediately", unless you favor a nuclear holocaust, or pandemic disease. As you suggest, a methane burn-off is likely at some point, which I learned about from reading "The Road" by (Cormac McCarthy)? The question is: can humans peacefully reduce their population, or must we all helplessly suffer the ecocidal consequences of our "too much of a good thing"? Right now it looks bad.
    I hold out hope that our warnings can reach enough people in time to save our species from extinction. I sent out about 30 copies of "A Letter To Everyone". What else can I legally do? Carry a big sign around the streets?

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    We can not change the world ourselves. All we can do is keep spreading the word around until we die.
    A pandemic 4 times worse than the Bubonic Plague and world wide, is unlikely. A nuclear war that results in even quartering the population risks killing off the entire population with radiation or nuclear winter, and is also unlikely. It is very unlikely that enough women and families will go to an average birth rate that will be low enough to reduce population to what the crash level will be by 2050 (probably 5 billion, because all the food and water the biosphere will provide at that time is the sedentary starvation level for 6 billion, and people need energy to produce food). AGW and post peak oil, along with numerous aquifers depleted, and the soil loss rates from a variety of causes, and the loss of the oceanic fisheries, will all put a serious decline in food and water supplies. Any population over will collapse, region by region.
    After the die off, the survivors face a world getting progressively hotter and culminating in an ELE by 2300 to 2500 from first tundra methane positive feedback loop, then the oceanic methane hydrate positive feedback loop, to total turnover worse(according to Hansen) that the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum and ten times faster, so little life will be able to adapt with the time constraints. A probable up to near 90% loss of species, worse than the Cretaceous/Tertiary asteroid impact 65 million years ago. Then, if too much oil and coal has been burned, according to Hansen in "Storms of My Grandchildren", the climate will progress to a runaway greenhouse effect much like Venus, until the Sun goes nova and Earth is melted. So reducing fossil fuel burning ASAP, along with reducing population ASAP, or the demands on aquifers, the oceans, the soils, and the surface fresh water systems, are necessary to conserve resources for future generations, hopefully bypass a mass die-off event, and avoid an extinction level event, and avoid a runaway greenhouse effect.
    I don't believe the human population crash is preventable any longer, but reducing fossil fuel burning can be done before then, hopefully enough to mitigate AGW enough to prevent an ELE, and if not that, at least prevent the runaway greenhouse scenario.
    I had one child only then had my tubes tied---others must do the same, by choice or their government's edict. We live totally on solar power and drive a hybrid, and grow much of our own food---billions more must do the same or equivalent, by choice, or government's edict and support. Countries that refuse to comply should be considered enemies of our biosphere itself, and wiped out militarily with as little biosphere damage as possible. Those ways of government and religious thinking that are in opposition to what needs to be done to prevent the ELE, should be abolished.
    What I think should be done, I really doubt will be done. It is beyond John's "ecocide", where in a period of many thousands of years to millions of years, life could return and flourish on Earth. It could, with continued increasing fossil fuel burning, and continued population growth with the crash delayed beyond mid-century, become an inevitable runaway greenhouse effect scenario, and life gone forever from Earth. Those who helped, or at least did no harm, hopefully enjoying everlasting life in Heaven. Those who caused the death of our biosphere, whether through greed, over-breeding, stupidity, or ignorance, will not have everlasting life. The deaths, and the lack of lives that could have been, the murder of countless generations, is on them. The killing of many millions of other species is also on them.
    http://www.cosmosmith.com/human_population_crisis.htm

    http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...n-1906484.html
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    Anyway, having just read Hansen's "Storms of My Grandchildren" I got brutally factual with the problem. Knowing the math from my college professor doesn't help the rosy outlook, either.
    Arithmetic, Population and Energy - a talk by Al Bartlett on the impossibility of exponential growth on a finite planet
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    Yes, it took a lot of will power to keep up and take lots of notes in class. I have occasionally emailed him, and he once did an article for my org, NPG (we have been members for most years since 1993). People have said I was privileged to have been in his class. I met my husband there, so it was quite and experience in more ways than one. He has given variations on the same lecture since 1969!! Other great articles by him are here;
    Selected articles by Prof. Emeritus Al Bartlett
    Another great that I have read all except his very first book, is Lindsey Grant.
    His latest Forum Paper is here;
    http://www.npg.org/forum_series/TheA...dule3-2011.pdf

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    Your membership in that organization explains a lot. For many years it has tainted the issue of overpopulation so that few are willing to discuss it for fear of being labeled a racist, since violence instigates opposition to the cause it advocates, and that is a big reason why the problem is so out of control, and probably the main reason why my writings are politely ignored by everyone I know and respect. I dare to say there are too many people on a planet so divided by race, caste and class, all other issues are subordinate. So, I think I may be shoveling sand against an irresistable tide of human instinct that seems determined to play itself out to its inevitable conslusion regardless of any and all appeals to reason; and thus it appears my presence here is relentlessly misunderstood and therefore useless to the peaceful cause of family planning and 100% recycling I have been trying and apparently failing to explain.
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    Negative Population Growth join and help!
    Negative Population Growth (NPG) is a national membership organization founded in 1972 to educate the American public and political leaders about the detrimental effects of overpopulation on our environment, resources and quality of life. NPG advocates a smaller and truly sustainable United States population accomplished through smaller families and lower, more traditional immigration levels.

    What is NPG? We are more than 25,000 Americans working to achieve long-term sustainability by gradually stabilizing our population size at around 150 to 200 million (our size 50 years ago, which scientists agree was optimal for our resources). Only with a much smaller population can we protect our fragile ecosystems, conserve our finite resources, and ensure that future generations will inherit a clean and healthy environment where all Americans can enjoy a quality standard of living.
    http://www.cosmosmith.com/human_population_crisis.htm
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    Every organization I ever joined made me regret it by their double-talking, double-dealing chicanery. I'm a free centrist, which means I'm free to agree or disagree with any aspect of any and all beliefs, ideologies, religions, political philosophies, etc. That minimizes my mistakes to a far better level of credibility than ever before in my search for the truth about us humans and our situation here on this volatile planet. But virtually every one else appears to be committed to some sort of belief system that traps them in concepts that are limited by their underlying narrow self interests, and that is a dilemma I have so far been unable to resolve, except to go on trying to understand and explain events objectively. I want the human race to survive its madness, though my contribution appears to be almost nil, at least I tried.

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